NOTE: just for the balance with @QuentinCallaghan@lemmy.ml 's thread https://lemmy.ml/post/140972

Souvenir? A doctor Sohab who wanted to punch anti-vaxx? he died after his booster. Had difficulties to find it back.

This one also is nice, the project lead of the v-safe platform (vaxx tracking) https://twitter.com/joelkallman/status/1375421558349565952
2 months later
https://twitter.com/OracleAPEX/status/1398058282787520520

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With these examples I think the correlation is a little loose. Dr Lutchmedial died two weeks after his third shot. Claiming the vaccine was a direct cause when the only available evidence is a two week timespan is weak.

The other example provided doesn’t demonstrate harm caused by a vaccine. It sucks that a deadly virus is deadly, and it sucks that the vaccine didn’t help in this case. It’s not a good argument against getting a vaccine.

@charlie_root@lemmy.ml
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It is an argument to be prudent.

One unvaxx podcaster died of Covid. A doc and an IT guy died of Covid despite being vaxxed.

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What is direct?
Did hear about something like long adverse effect on specific people group ? Most medicine have this. You don’t die/heal of chemio in one shot. it takes time.

Between, why do you think vaccine validation takes years usually?
“oh because it was old techno and group people is lower, here we have high-end reprogrammable technology.” You try to sell what? the new macbook with first new-new components 1.5x faster than last year model and experiment with?

But because it is new, and we are/were in front of a bad influenza level virus killing the same demo (>65y), we have to screw protocols and accepts all stuff coming from a repeat offender company?

ANYWAY, they unfortunately died of COVID despite being double and triple vaccinated in a short period of time. You can’t say vaccine is the only mean. Maybe they had commorbidity SO, you should not address it as an universal solution.

That’s it. No reptilians, no illuminati, etc… plain basic stuff.

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What caused his death? Was it cytokine storm brought on by vaccine affect? Could it have been Guillan-Barre? Do you know what the risk of autoantibody development leading to long term rheumatological issues in treatment of COVID-19 is?

I’ve been doing a study whereby I look at the ACE impacts of COVID-19 prime and how those might be suspect in neurological affect from long-COVID. Do you have any insight into how an endothelial virus with limited primary neurological impact could lead to lasting affect? You seem to have done your research well. I could use a fellow researcher to bounce ideas off of.

Also, given that your assertions imply that you have substantial knowledge of this case whereby a gentleman took the COVID-19 vaccine and then died, do you have any pre-publication work I could see on the event? It’s questionable to me how this chain of events took place.

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You know what: nobody die from the vaccine. Nobody ever died from medicine. Is it legit?

EDIT: Forgot to say, Japan suspended Moderna previously. Strange for a 100% sure working vaccine. Prudence…

btw, my last post in this thread, I made my point, you made yours in trying to turn me in a Alex Jones.

@daelphinux@lemmy.ml
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Listen up homie, I have a metabolic myopathy that causes negative vaccine reactions, and can just straight randomly throw my body into rhabdo. Yea, medicine can kill people: the risk analysis is what you’re looking at. The vaccine makes incidence of illness less bad, and often has fewer negative impacts for healthy individuals with fewer risks for society at large.

You know what has killed more people than the COVID Vaccine? And more than it probably ever will?

COVID.

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How can one exactly tell that the doctor died exactly because of the booster shot? The causality here is shoddy.

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What is strange is that all of you ignore the factor time. Pfizer and co can’t escape this.

You have two dude in their 50, who got their shots, brag about it and died.

It might be commorbidity, so does it is with Covid.

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“A rooster crows at sunrise, therefore the sunrise is caused by the crowing of the rooster.”

@charlie_root@lemmy.ml
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oh, you don’t have argument that you have to resort to folklore ?

continue, take your jabs, your boost, protect yourself, please.

@daelphinux@lemmy.ml
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Your argument is based on Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc: After an event therefore because of an event. It’s a logical fallacy specifically designed for warning people that just because Event A happens and is directly followed by Event B doesn’t mean Event A caused Event B.

Dunno why we’re explaining this though, if there was any propensity for scientific thought present here we wouldn’t be having the argument in the first place.

#OwnTheLibs #DieForTheEconomy /s

@charlie_root@lemmy.ml
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You try hard to give vaccine 100% success. Even Pfizer doesn’t dare to do it.

Dunno why we’re explaining this though, if there was any propensity for scientific thought present here we wouldn’t be having the argument in the first place.

Indeed, fortunately, FDA has been forced to release the Pfizer &co clinical data in 8 months and not 75years (yeah yeah, limited resource )as they asked. Wait & see.

Question: Vaccine does not prevent transmission and illness or even dead? Do you agree ? Are you still OK to sanction non-vaccinated and sane person AND even make them go bankrupt, jail or even die (not from covid)?

@daelphinux@lemmy.ml
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Vaccine limits transmissibility of the virus by reducing viral load; imagine being so ignorant you think that a vaccine is a 100% catch all. The Non-vaccinated should get a UBI like everyone else should, they should also be staying home to reduce risk to themselves and others (limiting exposure to a virus is just a good idea in general: the vaccinated should do it to). The fact that capitalism doesn’t let them stay home and wallow in their own ignorance is not my problem. I never called for the sanctioning or removal of the unvaccinated from society.

imagine being so ignorant you think that a vaccine is a 100% catch all.

I agree. That was very ignorant of the director of the CDC and US Pres Biden to say it prevents infection to justify the initial push for mandates.

@nutomic@lemmy.ml
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To people reporting this as “anti-vax”: There is no rule like that, if you report something, it should be for an actual rule violation.

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thats a bit odd, because according to the mod-log dessalines removed posts commenting “No anti-vaxx”

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Yes and i dont think thats justified, especially because we have a rule against bigotry (intolerance). Yo me it seems really intolerant to remove posts just because they express a different opinion on vaccination. But @dessalines@lemmy.ml is pretty adamant about this.

@daelphinux@lemmy.ml
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“Let both sides have a voice, we can’t tell anti-vaxxers and those with views that are actually and tangibly dangerous when they spread not to have a voice! Next up: A live reading of Chairman Mao’s first 5 year plan, followed by the diaries of Generalissimo Franco!”

Said every mitlaufer ever.

@nutomic@lemmy.ml
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You are really comparing people who refuse a voluntary medical treatment to fascists? Thats quite ridiculous, but do tell me which of the common elements of fascism apply to the “movement of anti-vaccination” (if you can even call it that).

I would reply more but your comment is completely lacking in meaning and full of platitudes.

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It is not even a different opinion. I am not against polio vaccination, etc…

I just reported facts. Vaccine didn’t - at worse - help these informed and seems to be good in shape person.

@daelphinux@lemmy.ml
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@dessalines@lemmy.ml is clearly actually a caring mod. Not an enlightened Centrist.

@charlie_root@lemmy.ml
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appreciate the transparency. thank you.

NOTE: I am not a supporter of the dead podcaster from Quentin’s thread, I don’t know him and not interested. As a said, it’s just for balance and just in response of https://lemmy.ml/post/140972/comment/105399

Hope it won’t flame or whatever and I hope Quentin would understand it is not a race.

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