Its a very interesting feeling. On one hand Im proud because Lemmy has come so far. Two years ago there was only one instance dev.lemmy.ml and no federation. On the other hand disappointed, because some people are unable to appreciate how much time and work I put into this project. Its especially ironic that these attacks are coming from people who pretend to represent the working class.

Hey nutomic-

I hope you aren’t taking the insults too close to heart. Keep in mind more users = more people = more hate. It’s linear, don’t sweat it. A lot of people who upvote stupid takes don’t fully understand it either, and the ones who stick around will eventually understand it.

Keep in mind some of us here, on lemmy.ml, aren’t here because we think Lemmy.ml is better than Reddit.com in it’s current form. We’re here because we support the idea and goal of Lemmy, and we’re here to support you directly when it comes to using the live instance and gathering a userbase for feedback. We don’t say “Thanks for Lemmy!” every post, but every well-thought-out post is a compliment.

Keep in mind you’re an awesome person, because despite differences in beliefs, you’re the one acting to make the world a better place. Or let the haters empower you, that’s a good route to success.

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Dont worry, its hard to take these people seriously because they are acting like little children when they dont get their favorite toy. The insults arent even creative at all. Its just not something that I expected to happen when I started contributing to Lemmy, and especially didnt expect it from that group of people.

@sexy_peach
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Don’t forget that many appreciate what you’re doing here :)

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Congratulations on the milestone! 🥳 🎉

Many of us do appreciate how much work and effort you have put into this. I find it very inspiring that you and Dessalines have managed to build a project that you are passionate about and raised the funds to be able to work on it full time. And you have gotten others like me excited about the project too!

I am not sure what insults you are referring to, but I suspect that whoever insulted you probably did so because of how you have dealt with politics in Lemmy. I recommend those people to read the about page to see what Lemmy is about: https://join-lemmy.org/about

I think that you do a very good job as an admin in keeping with these ideals.

You are great! Thank you for your work!

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Basically these people think they have some kind of god-given right to make demands about how lemmy.ml should be moderated. Which is ridiculous on its own, plus most of them arent even registered on this instance.

Moderation has always been a power struggle on Reddit. Just as the Lemmyverse has tended to be less aggressive in terms of content and conversation, I’m hoping the moderator politics here don’t devolve into the social pseudo-warfare that Reddit is infamous for (moderator coups, mod team splits, megamod cliques, etc). I think that’s going to involve some sort of informal governance policies that will standardize over time, but I’m not sure.

Admin-to-admin mail (similar to mod mail, but visible by all admins on both instances), blocklist compliance, and mutual federation come to mind.

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Lemmy in general is fine, its just a single instance which cant behave.

@wintermute
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It is up to you to federate with this instance, or not…

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You don’t deserve that treatment IMO. You’ve created a viable alternative to Reddit. You should be proud of what you have accomplished!

Moderation may have been too slow at times, but they don’t realize that your priority is Lemmy software, not moderation. Considering that, despite the controversies, I still have a good impression of you. Sometimes the coexistence between communists, anarchists and liberals can give a lot of headaches :')

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You’re awesome, and unfortunately there’s no way to be successful and universally liked at the same time.

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I guess that depends on your idea of success.

We clearly know what OC means by success, let’s not pull a jordan Peterson here (unless youre joking)

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There is no context but maybe that is a signal user base is growing and disseminating. IMO it is mostly disappoiting when people make personal attacks instead of productively criticizing ideas/content and objectively help improve the project.

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When the going gets tough, the tough get going.

You are doing great things - push on.

Just wanted to say that I have immense respect for all the work you do and that I really understand the feeling. You and Dessalines wear so many hats in the creation and management of this software and these sites. It’s impressive that you’ve been properly delegating and managing all the information being thrown at you constantly for this long.

I’m also surprised that it’s taken this long. Guess that speaks to the quality of community that exists here.

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I’ll try to lend a hand if I find the time.

Edit: guys I’m a programmer. Like, I mean I want to help out with Lemmy development. Please chill the fuck out.

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Contributions are always welcome! You can look through the issues for anything that you might be interested to work on. Also be sure to join the dev chat on matrix. And do ask if there is anything unclear.

You mean me?

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No

Ok, good to hear it.

What happened?

We had a mild argument over liberalism, tone policing, allowing NATO propaganda and such. I don’t think anything that was said on both sides was any insult but i’m asking just in case.

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does “NATO propaganda” mean anything that paints Russia’s invasion as negative or imperialistic?

Hopefully this allows to clear misunderstandings with nutomic. Here we are not playing from different sides, and leftist infighting must be avoided.

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With respect I don’t think it’s the work you put into the project that people have a problem with but rather the way you engage with people, take criticism rather poorly, and completely dismiss absolutely everyone that has any experience with community building.

The issue is not the work you do but a seeming lack of understanding of how your actions and the way you engage with others seriously affects people’s motivation to help grow the project. I am a supporter of the project but you told me to go back to reddit when I was airing something I genuinely cared about.

Most of the problems occurring are not even your disagreement with people but the manner in which you frame your disagreements and engage very harshly with others.


On the topic of the bad blood occurring between this instance and its sister lemmygrad - this is a product of poor communication and a wrecker group that has seized upon this and pulled the thread on both sites with the goal of splitting the two.

The main site considers to label itself a “leftist” site when it clearly is no longer that, it’s clearly a dev instance with some vaguely left stuff but has undertaken a neutral ideology out of necessity so as not to alienate certain audiences further. This has occurred but the references to it being “leftist” have never been removed and no effort to get ahead of the obvious upset this would cause in your originally marxist-leninist audience seems to have been made. What do you expect? Think ahead. If you change a site from being marxist-leninist to being something else when the existing people who all joined it originally were marxist-leninists and you do absolutely nothing to bring them on-board with the change of course they’re going to be upset.

I don’t even think any of these mistakes are unfixable. I was going to try and head off some of these problems I could see coming but then the queen died so my entire priority list go upended. But you need to wrap your head around communities and how to engage with communities if you’re going to dev for a project about building communities. That or figure out someone who is shit-hot at communications and have them do all of your communications for you instead.

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